Re: Refuge - Fourrière De Pascani

[alina_mazilu]

GOOD NEWS!!!!!
Hope walk's better now, i will go to take photos after the rain will stop.
I gave them carrots today and i called the man that healed theyr hooves and he also said that he's foot looks better.
I hope that the vet will say the same thing because i can't euthanasied him because i have other good news:
I foun people to adopt them
Light will go to Botosani to a collegue that has a female which looks like him but is fat and well treated, and Hope will go to a mayor from a village near Pascani.
They will go after i will make them all theyr needs because i can't give tme ill.
I hope that no one will change his mind.
We wait to go tomorrow at a surgeon with Hope. Is sad that almost everyone tell me that they are waist of time, food, money and everything like that and most of the vets will tell me to euthanasied him but i don't think that is necessary because he feels good, he eat very good, he is active and if he was affected verry bad wasn't able to do all these things.
Some of my collegues told me about an orthopedic horseshoe and they said that it will help verry much but i don't know where i can finde something like that

[marnie]

van do, tu peux traduire ceci pour alina tsp

Alina, voici de très bonnes nouvelles...en effet, si Hope va mieux, pas question de l'euthanasier...il à suffisament endurer pour mériter une vie meilleure. En espèrant, en effet, que les personnes ne vont pas se desister....!!!!
Parfois, chaque petit soin, aussi infime soit il, donne de bons resultat.....
Il ne faut pas perdre espoir.....Merci ALina pour ce que tu fais pour ces chevaux.....

[lakota03]

pour les traductions:moteur de recherche bing,ils ont un traducteur instantané tres correct

[Invité]

S'il se déplace un peu mieux, il faut continuer, les nouvelles que tu donnes sont bonnes en effet, parfois une intervention de maréchal peut énormément soulager
Il existe effectivement des ferrures orthopédiques qui soulagent les chevaux, la manière de parer le sabot est essentielle également.
Si tu connais des gens qui ont des chevaux de concours ou de course ou des vétos spécialisés pour les chevaux ils doivent connaître des maréchaux capables de faire ce genre de fers. N'y a-t-il pas à Bucarest un club hippique ou une Ecole d'équitation comme il en existe à Budapest ou à Vienne?

Merci à toi pour ce que tu fais pour eux.

[Invité]

For Alina:
I can't translate everything because it's quite long, but i'm going to try to sum up.
BA61 thinks about calling an osteopath vet, if they exist in Rumania. For the hooves, it they smell bad, you should disinfect them for example with Cresyl, you put cotton in the holes and then you cover with vegetal tar. The floor must always stay clean and dry. Massages can be good, if they are well done. Antibiotics can heal abcesses.
Against arthosis, Marnie proposes homeopathy: Harpagophytum and Arnica. It's cheap, without secondary effects, and is effective.

Marnie wants me to translate that for you:
Alina, these are good news... Indeed, if Hope is better, it's no longer useful to speak about euthanasia... he suffered enough to have a better life. If we hope, of course, that people won't withdraw...!
Sometimes, each small treatment, as small as it can be, gives good results... we must not lose hope... Thank you Alina for everything you do for these horses...

Finally, BA61 says that orthopedic horseshoes could help Hope and ask you if there are hippic clubs or riding schools in Budapest or Vienne. They may know smith who can work with this kind of horseshoe.

Traduction du message d'Alina:
BONNES NOUVELLES!
Hope marche mieux maintenant,je vais prendre des photos dès que la pluie cessera. Je leur ai donné des carottes aujourd'hui et j'ai appelé le maréchal ferrant qui a soigné leurs sabots et il a aussi dit que ses pieds semblent en meilleur état.
J'espère que le vétérinaire dira la même chose car je ne peux pas l'euthanasier car j'ai d'autres bonnes nouvelles: j'ai trouvé des adoptants pour eux.
Light ira à Botosani chez un collègue qui a une femelle qui lui ressemble mais qui est plus lourde et bien traitée, et Hope ira chez un maire d'un village près de Pascani.
Ils iront dès que j'aurai fini tous leurs soins car je ne peux pas les donner malades. J'espère qu'ils ne changeront pas d'avis.
Nous attendons d'aller voir un chirurgien pour Hope. C'est triste car presque tout le monde me dit que l'on perd du time, de la nourriture, de l'argent etc et la plupart des vétos me diront de l'euthanasier mais je ne ne pense que que cela soit nécessaire car il se sent bien, il mange très bien, il est actif et s'il allait vraiment très mal il ne pourrait pas faire tout cela.
Quelques collègues m'ont parlé de ferrures orthopédiques, que cela l'aiderait beaucoup mais je ne sais pas où je peux en trouver.

Pour Lakota: certes il y a des moteurs de recherche mais perso je trouve qu'ils traduisent de façon très primitive style "moi tarzan toi jane" lol et c'est dommage d'autant que moi ça ne me dérange pas de traduire au contraire... j'ai l'impression d'aider à ma petite échelle... et puis certains termes sont très techniques et un moteur de recherche ne s'en sort pas, la preuve Alina m'a demandé de traduire parce qu'elle avait essayé avec un moteur de recherche mais ne comprenait toujours pas...

[Invité]

Merci Van Do, on est sur de rien laisser passer comme cela.

[lakota03]

ah c pour ça ,je me disais aussi !

[alina_mazilu]

I went to see the horses. I gave them carrots and flakes but they were very nervous and they don't let me to make them massage....they don't even let me touch them like they did before. I don't know what's happening.
I will let them an hour and i will try again. I hope to succeed next time.
Kisses.
I made some photos to see how is the hoove now and the position of the leg.

[alina_mazilu]

This is to see the difference...
I think that is a big step...

[alina_mazilu]

I make the photo smaller to see better

[alina_mazilu]

At first....i hadn't observe the left leg because the right one was verry bad. Now we can see that also the left leg is bad and i spoked with the smith to come back tomorrow to try again to fix the problem.

[Invité]

Il avait les sabots vraiment très longs et c'est peut-être à cause de cela qu'il a eu une entorse, il faut voir avec le maréchal comment très progressivement il peut rectifier ses aplombs et adapter une ferrure qui va soulager ses tendons sur la jambe droite notamment

A gauche je pense qu'en corrigeant la forme du sabot les dégâts ne sont pas trop importants et devraient se rattraper plus facilement

[Invité]

Sur la photo où l'on voit juste le bas de la jambe dans l'herbe c'était avant que le maréchal ne fasse quelque chose?

[alina_mazilu]

Yes BA 61, tomorrow will come again the smith and we will try to fix the problem but he can't stand on the right leg and we don't know what to do.
Before the smith, i will go to the surgeon and i'll ask him about that.

[alina_mazilu]

About the joint, the surgeon will tell what exactly is in there because the joint is very sore and hard.

[Invité]

Il ne peut pas s'appuyer sur sa jambe droite car son sabot est très long et cela tire sur ses tendons qui sont déformés, le maréchal va te dire ce qu'il en pense et s'il peut progressivement rectifier l'aplomb

[Invité]

Aurais-tu la possibilité de le filmer en vidéo lorsqu'il marche un peu?

[alina_mazilu]

The right hoove was shortened....you can see in the photos that i attach, the hoove was very long but he shortened as much as he was able. And Hope can't stand on the right leg because now he must modify his position and he was used to stay and walk with that hoove very long and his shoe which wasn't fixed well.
Do you think that an orthopedic horseshoe will help?

[alina_mazilu]

Yes, tomorrow i will take a camera, or i will do it with my phone even if is not very clear...

[Invité]

The right hoove was shortened....you can see in the photos that i attach, the hoove was very long but he shortened as much as he was able. And Hope can't stand on the right leg because now he must modify his position and he was used to stay and walk with that hoove very long and his shoe which wasn't fixed well.
Do you think that an orthopedic horseshoe will help?

Je pense que oui, il existe des ferrures qui vont pouvoir soulager ses aplombs essaie d'en parler à ton maréchal, en France cela existe mais c'est fait sur mesure pour chaque cheval donc on ne peut pas t'envoyer de fer pour Hope.
Il faudrait lui masser ses jambes avec un onguent ou bien lui doucher à l'eau froide en séchant bien après

[Invité]

This is to see the difference...
I think that is a big step...

Sur la deuxième photo l'aplomb est bien meilleur une fois le sabot paré, il faut de la patience pour récupérer cela il faut plusieurs semaines, comme tu dis c'est déjà une grande étape il faut que Hope s'habitue à cette nouvelle position et lui masser les jambes le plus souvent possible, je vais t'envoyer par Corinne un onguent qui peut le soulager par massage.

[alina_mazilu]

Thank you.
I bought yesterday an unguent for them based on plants.... he has actions on joints and tendons. The colegue that have horses at home told me that is very good and he use it after competition or when a horse fell or anything that affect horses legs.
I will go to "racecourse" i don;t know if this is the right translation, and ask there where i can find a orthopedic horseshoe ( is not necessary to send from France because i can find here, i just have to find the place).
The bouth horses changed a lot in just one week, they are more active and now they have the strangth to kick and bite,.... at first, they were exhausted and flabbily but now, they saw that there are no gipsy around and no one hit them and torture them anymore and they got power and nerve.
When i went at them ,this night, i had put the bucket in front of them to drink and i was holding a carrot in my hand. Light left his ears back, he threw the bucket and wet me and rushed to my hand to take my carrot and he bit my finger ( just a little bit) .
I'm glad that he saw that nobody hurts him anymore and he has more confidence in himself. Hope is more guarded, he always watch you're every move and if you make a bad move he is prepared to bite.
He's a sweet old horse and he is reacting like that because he is used to be mistreated. He will realise that his live we will change and he will be a good boy.

[Invité]

Il faut que tu vois avec le maréchal s'il sait faire des fers orthopédiques adaptés aux problèmes de Hope, si ton collègue a des chevaux de compétition il doit avoir un bon maréchal qui sait faire cela essaie de voir avec lui
L'onguent aux plantes va lui faire du bien
Ils sont méfiants car ils ont été battus par les gitans mais ils vont comprendre que tu leur veut du bien et devenir gentils avec toi.
Merci encore

[Invité]

J'ai eu Corinne au téléphone ce matin, je lui envoie un paquet avec des produits pour les sabots et les membres des deux chevaux, deux licols et des longes pour les tenir ou les promener, elle te les fait parvenir au plus vite

[alina_mazilu]

Thank you very much BA 61 !!!!
Today i went to see them with the surgeon...he looked at Hope...and he told me that tomorrow morning he will look at his joints.,,,everyone is busy now because are many exams, license.....
When the smith tried to pick up his right leg Hope couldn't stant on the left, he react verry bad.... He can't stay on his left leg... i think that it hurts him verry bad. Today i saw many injures on his back because he can't stay verry much and he lies down...This is not normal. If he wasn'
t in pain he wouldn't do that. I spoke with the collegue that has many horses about a good smith, qualified smith and he told me thet in our country doesn't exist something like that. The smith that comes now is not qualified, he is just a boy who can do that and have all he needs for that.
I don't know what to say, i don't want to let him suffer but i don't know what to do for him.
Light is a very bad boy now.... he became agressive, he bites ...i think that now he has more power and he tryes to use it.
I think that the best solution for Hope is to send him to the man that he want to hold him, after i'll go to other vets to see him ...because in villages, the vets know better to work with horses.
Today a lot of people told me that they are waist of time, money, everything because i can't do anything for them .
I don't know any horserace in other country....i don't know what to do ....Please tell me what to do because here, everyone tell me to euthanasied him and i don't want that unless this is the last solution.

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